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		<title>Come and Dine: An Ecunemical Invitation</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 01:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Derek Ouellette</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Forward: Please Read First - Since this post was originally published I've received a lot of flack for unintentionally disrespecting the Catholic Church. So I want to share a dialogue I had with a facebook friend, JoAnn: JoAnn: "I was raised &#8230; <a href="http://covenantoflove.net/christianity/come-and-dine-an-ecunemical-invitation/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[Forward: Please Read First -</strong> Since this post was originally published I've received a lot of flack for unintentionally disrespecting the Catholic Church. So I want to share a dialogue I had with a facebook friend, JoAnn:</p>
<p><strong>JoAnn</strong>: "I was raised Catholic. I am surprised they let you receive communion. I went to a Catholic funeral recently where they were very adamant that is was ONLY for Catholic (in their church of course)."</p>
<p><strong>Derek</strong>: "Ya, the priest did not make it clear that it was just for Catholics. He simply said, "part of our faith". I took that as an ecumenical invitation. I'm beginning to think I should not have though. Live and learn."</p>
<p><strong>JoAnn</strong>: "well fortunately PROTESTANT is not written on our foreheads"<strong>]</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">_____________________________</p>
<p><a href="http://covenantoflove.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bread.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4333" title="Bread" src="http://covenantoflove.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bread-300x259.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="259" /></a>During the Exodus celebration (also known as Passover) Jesus gathered together with his closest friends and initiated what has variously come to be termed &#8220;The Lord&#8217;s Supper&#8221;, &#8220;The Eucharist&#8221; or simply &#8220;Communion&#8221;. That last term is my favorite because it captures the essence of Paul&#8217;s complaint in 1 Corinthians 11:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In the following directives I have no praise for you&#8230; In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church,<em> there are divisions among you</em>&#8230; When you come together it is not the Lord&#8217;s Supper you eat, for as you eat, <em>each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else.</em>&#8221; 1 Corinthians 11:17-20</p></blockquote>
<p>The context lays clear the issue Paul has in mind: division in the body of Christ.</p>
<p>The believers where first of all not united, but secondly, they would not wait for one another. The body of Christ wasn&#8217;t much functioning like a body. Paul goes so far to say, &#8220;<em>it is not the Lord&#8217;s supper you eat</em>, for as you eat, <em>each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else</em>&#8220;.  In other words, call it Eucharist, call it the Lord&#8217;s Supper, call it  Communion, but if you eat in division, it&#8217;s not really the Lord&#8217;s  Supper.</p>
<p>Being Protestant, I always raised more than a few eyebrows at the Catholic Church. First, we were Christians, they were merely Catholics in need of salvation. If ever I attended a Catholic service during which the Eucharist was offered, I made my protest clear: I refused to go up and partake. Not only were they not real Christians (in my opinion), and not only were their rituals eerily cultic to my understanding, but they believed something too weird for me to accept: &#8220;Transubstantiation&#8221;, the belief that the bread and wine literally transform into the body and blood of Christ. Yuck!</p>
<p>Today we buried my grandmother.</p>
<p>The service was held in a Catholic Church.</p>
<p>The Eucharist was offered.</p>
<p>I partook.</p>
<p>It was the first time in my life I recall ever taking Communion with my Catholic brother&#8217;s and sisters. Admittedly it felt strange to do so.</p>
<p>The priest gave us three options: we could come up and receive the bread (I don&#8217;t understand why only the bread is offered); we could come up and receive a blessing; or we could remain in our seats.</p>
<p>I nudged my wife, but she didn&#8217;t want to go. I looked around, my brother and his wife sitting somewhere to my left. My sister and her husband sitting somewhere across the aisle to my right. No movement from them. No judgment from me. I could just as easily remained in my seat. But after a moment of hesitancy I jerked up and got into line.</p>
<p>When I stood before the priest, hands cupped in front of my chest ready to receive, there was a moment of hesitancy on his part and a look of perplexion on his face. I began to worry that I missed a step. Was I supposed to say something like &#8220;Father, I receive this wafer&#8221; or something like that? Was I supposed to genuflex or cross myself? Has the cat been let out of the bag, that I&#8217;m Protestant[!]?</p>
<p>Finally he placed the wafer in my hand. I thanked him and put it in my mouth as I returned to my seat passing my brother who was watching me with a big smile on his face. I didn&#8217;t mean for it to be a joke. I hope no one took it as me mocking the Catholic Church.</p>
<p>Later I was talking to my wife about the whole incident. She explained to me that the reason she didn&#8217;t go up was because she didn&#8217;t know what to do or what rituals were involved. Recalling my awkward moment, I&#8217;d say for someone less forward then I, that reason is perfectly understandable.</p>
<p>So what changed? Why did I &#8211; an uncultured, low church Protestant &#8211; partake in the Eucharist at a Catholic Church?</p>
<p>It goes back to the passage in 1 Corinthians and every other passage in the New Testament were the Lord&#8217;s Supper is discussed. The Church is the body of Christ. One Church. One Body. Orthodox may disagree. Catholics may disagree. Protestants may disagree. They can disagree all they want. Jesus prayed that his disciples would be one as he and the Father are one.</p>
<p>That is my prayer too.</p>
<p>Of course the various traditions have understood what exactly takes place during the Lord&#8217;s Supper different. There is the Catholic view of Transubstantiation, the Lutheran view of Consubstantiation, Calvin&#8217;s view of ascension, Zwingli&#8217;s view of symbolism, and even Pentecostalism has it&#8217;s own take on it (incorporating a physical healing dimension). But the scriptures are just not that clear on the matter and so we should not allow our various understandings of Communion prevent us from communing together.</p>
<p>To do so is an affront to Christ&#8217; body and a sin for which Paul says, &#8220;I have no praise for you&#8221; (1 Corinthians 11:17). Where Paul once exhorted against the divisions of the early church: &#8220;there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but all are one in Christ&#8221;, he might very well instruct us today, &#8220;there are neither Eastern Orthodox nor Roman Catholic nor Protestant, but all are one in Christ&#8221;.</p>
<p>Communion is about the body of Christ celebrating the work of Christ on the cross <em>together</em>, until He returns. The way I see it. In the eschaton all of the disciples will be gathered together with our Lord physically present, and we <em>will </em>partake in the Lord&#8217;s Supper <em>together</em>.</p>
<p>I figure, why not start now.</p>
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		<title>R.C. Sproul, N.T. Wright and the Scarecrow</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Derek Ouellette</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years back I must have been the only person oblivious to the horrendous massacre of the Munich Olympics of 1972. When in conversation a friend mentioned the movie, Munich (2006), I asked what it was about, and in &#8230; <a href="http://covenantoflove.net/christianity/protestant-christianity/r-c-sproul-n-t-wright-and-the-scarecrow/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_2426" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://covenantoflove.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Sproul-and-Wright.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2426  " title="Sproul and Wright" src="http://covenantoflove.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Sproul-and-Wright.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="333" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Wright: &quot;Aren&#39;t we on the same team?&quot; Sproul: &quot;It depends, define &#39;sola fide&#39; and then define &#39;Gospel&#39;.&quot;</p></div>
<p>A few years back I must have been the only person oblivious to the horrendous massacre of the Munich Olympics of 1972. When in conversation a friend mentioned the movie, Munich (2006), I asked what it was about, and in shock he said “Don’t you know? It’s when Muslim <em>terrorists</em> murdered Jewish athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.”  But we were both caught off guard when another friend my mine, a Muslim, overheard our conversation and roared out through clenched teeth the way a father might chastise his children: “<strong>THEY WERE NOT <em>TERRORISTS</em>! IT WAS WAR! THOSE JEWISH ATHLETES WERE SOLDIERS WHO WOULD HAVE KILLED MUSLIMS AFTER THE OLYMPICS</strong>!” Then, as if nothing happened, he just walked away, leaving us staring at each other in perplexed silence.</p>
<p>The Olympics are supposed to be a time of peace. Everyone knows that. But for those Muslim terrorists, there is no such thing as “truce”. The context never changes. Time never goes by. <em>“Kill the infidel!”</em></p>
<p>If this short-sighted mentality frustrates you as much as it does me, then you may be able to glimpse the frustration I have when leaders who are hailed as defenders of Reformed orthodoxy write and lecture as though the volatile age of the 16<sup>th</sup> century were alive and well. (<em>“Anathema the Catholic!”</em>) It is a mentality which needs to be crushed under the full weight of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ for the glory of Christ and the union of his Body: the Church invisible and visible.</p>
<p>These men &#8211; I believe &#8211; need to undergo a “<a href="http://covenantoflove.net/theological-dictionary/gestalt-switch/">gestalt switch</a>”, nothing less then a complete paradigm shift.</p>
<p>In the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Justification-Perspective-Historical-Developments-Contemporary/dp/0801031311/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1279750676&amp;sr=8-1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Justification-Perspective-Historical-Developments-Contemporary/dp/0801031311/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1279750676_amp_sr=8-1&amp;referer=');">Justification in Perspective</a>, N.T. Wright was invited to contribute to the last essay-chapter titled &#8220;New Perspectives&#8221; where he makes this comment which some have called “The King Kong of straw man fallacies”. Here’s what Wright wrote which “defenders of Reformed orthodoxy” find so offensive:</p>
<blockquote><p>“We are not justified by faith by believing in justification by faith. We are justified by faith by believing in the gospel itself – in other words, that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from the dead.” Wright, &#8220;<a href="http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_New_Perspectives.htm" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_New_Perspectives.htm?referer=');">New Perspectives</a>&#8221; (Under the heading &#8220;5: Justification&#8221; in the essay.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I cheer Wright for this bold statement. It was about time someone called the Reformers out on the carpet and exposed much of their rhetoric for what it is. What Wright is saying is that Catholic and Orthodox believers are as much a member of the family of God, the living Church, as are Protestants if (and the “if” goes for Protestants as well) they believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ: “that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from the dead”.</p>
<p>Well of course the charge is an offensive one. In one fell swoop N.T. Wright has accused the Reformation Tradition (of which he is a part of, it is important to note) of raising 16<sup>th</sup> century “doctrine” above <em><strong>scripture</strong></em>, above the <em><strong>faith </strong></em>and above the <em><strong>Gospel</strong></em>. This is a deadly blow to the Reformers ego, and like any blow dealt to an ego, there was a backlash reaction. And so R.C. Sproul (who <a href="http://onceuponacross.blogspot.com/2010/05/nt-wright-v-rc-sproul.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/onceuponacross.blogspot.com/2010/05/nt-wright-v-rc-sproul.html?referer=');">one blogger</a> refers to as being “at the top end of the heavyweights” when it comes to Reformed theology) pushes back:</p>
<blockquote><p>“To intimate that Protestant orthodoxy believes that we are justified by believing in the doctrine of justification by faith is the king of all straw men. It is the Goliath of scarecrow, the King Kong of straw man fallacies. In other words, it is a whopper. I am aware of no theologian in the history of the Reformation tradition who believes or argues that a person can be justified by believing in the doctrine of justification by faith. This is a pure and simple distortion of the Reformed tradition.” (<a href="http://www.reformationtheology.com/2010/04/tabletalk_responding_to_n_t_wr.php" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.reformationtheology.com/2010/04/tabletalk_responding_to_n_t_wr.php?referer=');">Here</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>But is that true? We have to look no further for our answer then to Mr. Heavyweight himself (in case you missed it, that’s a reference to R.C. Sproul) in a little tract called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Justified-Faith-Alone-R-Sproul/dp/1433515563/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1279665699&amp;sr=1-1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Justified-Faith-Alone-R-Sproul/dp/1433515563/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1279665699_amp_sr=1-1&amp;referer=');">Justification by Faith Alone</a>. In it he writes this:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Since the Reformation the <strong><em>doctrine</em></strong> of <em>sola fide</em> has been the defining <strong><em>doctrine</em></strong> of evangelical Christianity. It has functioned as a normative <strong><em>doctrine</em></strong> because it has been understood as essential to the gospel itself. Without [the doctrine] <em>sola fide</em> one does not have the gospel; and without the gospel one does not have the Christian faith. When an ecclesiastical communion rejects [the doctrine] <em>sola fide</em>, as Rome did at the Council of Trent, it <em>ceases being a true church</em>, <em>no matter how orthodox it may be in other matters.</em>” – <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Justified-Faith-Alone-R-Sproul/dp/1433515563/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1279665699&amp;sr=1-1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Justified-Faith-Alone-R-Sproul/dp/1433515563/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1279665699_amp_sr=1-1&amp;referer=');">Justification by Faith Alone, p.12 (2010)</a></p></blockquote>
<p>There is so much to say and so little time.</p>
<p><strong>1)</strong> The doctrine of <em>sola fide</em> has <strong>NOT </strong>“been the defining doctrine of evangelical Christianity”. The defining doctrine of <em>evangelical </em>Christianity is <em>sola scriptura</em> (it is a sad day when we have to remind any Protestant of this fact). Pick up any book on Evangelical Christianity and you will not find a treaty there on <em>sola fide</em> (at least not in any central or defining way). You will find other points such as &#8220;missional&#8221; or &#8220;conversionism&#8221;, and centrally always &#8220;<em>sola scriptura</em>&#8221; (no matter how it is defined) but not <em>sola fide</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[Francis] Schaeffer said that an orthodox view of the Bible is the &#8216;Watershed of the Evangelical World&#8217;. In other words, it is a defining position, such that our view of Scripture determines whether or not we are truly evangelical. It seems to me that he was correct in this assessment.&#8221; A.T.B. McGowan, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Authenticity-Scripture-Retrieving-Evangelical/dp/0830828796/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1279822410&amp;sr=1-1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Divine-Authenticity-Scripture-Retrieving-Evangelical/dp/0830828796/ref=sr_1_1?s=books_amp_ie=UTF8_amp_qid=1279822410_amp_sr=1-1&amp;referer=');">The Divine Authenticity of Scripture: Retrieving an Evangelical Heritage</a>, p. 11</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>2)</strong> It is <strong>NOT </strong>true that without the doctrine of <em>sola fide</em> one does not have the Gospel. Nowhere in scripture is the Gospel defined as “<em>sola fide</em>”. But Paul explicitly defines the Gospel as believing in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) – as N.T. Wright correctly points out in his quote above. (This constitutes one of the fundamental areas of confusion among the traditionalists: confusing the terms &#8220;<em>gospel</em>&#8221; &#8220;<em>justification</em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em>soteriology</em>&#8220;.)</p>
<p><strong>3)</strong> It is <strong>NOT </strong>true that by rejecting the doctrine of <em>sola fide</em> an ecclesial commune “ceases being a true church, no matter how <strong><em>orthodox </em></strong>it may be in <strong><em>other matters</em></strong>”. This last point is a very dangerous move on Sproul’s part because now he has explicitly raised up the Reformed doctrine of <em>sola fide</em> <strong>above </strong>the core belief of the <strong>death and resurrection of Jesus Christ!</strong> He subjugates <em>this </em>core orthodox belief (the True Gospel) to the sixteenth century doctrine of <em>sola fide</em>. Was there no &#8220;true church&#8221; before Luther? Sproul places the true Gosple of Jesus Christ (by which he &#8220;is being saved&#8221; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) under the subcategory of &#8220;other matters&#8221; (as if you could tuck the Gospel away somewhere<em> </em>under the rubric of &#8220;<em>other matters</em>&#8220;?). God help him!:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gosple &#8211; <em>not that there is another one</em>, but there are some who trouble you and want to <em>distort the gospel of Christ</em>. (Galatians 1:6-7, emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Sproul has distorted the Gosple by <strong><em>confusing </em></strong>the sixteenth century doctrine of <em>sola fide</em> with the Gosple Paul preaches in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and which he declares to be the true Gospel being distorted here in Galatians 1:6-9. A blogger named Cameron whom I have been in dialogue with states that God is not the author of confusion, &#8220;<em>but maybe N.T. Wright is a good candidate</em>&#8220;. N.T. Wright has offensively reminded the Reformers what the true Gospel is: <strong>belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ</strong>. If this truth has confused my friend Cameron, this should not reflect either God who wrote the Word or Wright who has been dragging the Reformers (kicking and screaming) back to the Word. I am not surprised that my friend Cameron has been confused by Wrights comment. If he has always believed an error, and someone writes to correct his error, before he capitulates to the truth his mind will be confused. This only reflects that he is either resisting the truth or about to overcome the presuppositions of his mind!</p>
<p>In any case this entire quote from R.C. Sproul, an influential leader in the Protestant church and author of such books as “<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Defending-Your-Faith-Introduction-Apologetics/dp/1433503158/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1279667497&amp;sr=1-2" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Defending-Your-Faith-Introduction-Apologetics/dp/1433503158/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1279667497_amp_sr=1-2&amp;referer=');">Defending the Faith</a>” and “<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Consequences-Ideas-Understanding-Concepts-Shaped/dp/143350314X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1279667539&amp;sr=1-1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Consequences-Ideas-Understanding-Concepts-Shaped/dp/143350314X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1279667539_amp_sr=1-1&amp;referer=');">The Consequences of Ideas</a>”, is very scary. In the quote above Sproul writes: “I am aware of no theologian in the history of the Reformed tradition who believes or argues that a person can be justified by believing in the doctrine of justification by faith.” Perhaps he should have a good look in the mirror.</p>
<p>If N.T. Wright’s argument is a straw man, then R.C. Sproul is the scarecrow who is caught up in the time loop of 16<sup>th</sup> century polemics. Even the Catholic Church has moved on since then, acknowledging that other forms of orthodox Christianity are a part of the true church, while Sproul (like my Muslim friend) vehemently contends that because Trent (1559-1563) rejected the Reformed <strong>doctrine </strong>of <em>sola fide,</em> our Catholic brothers and sisters who believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, i.e. the Gospel, are not “a true church”.</p>
<p>But of course we now know that Wright’s comment is nothing at all like a “straw man argument”. It is verified right here in Sproul’s own words as the “heavyweight” speaks out of both sides of his mouth.</p>
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		<title>The Book of Eli</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Derek Ouellette</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife and I just got back from watching the Book of Eli starring Denzel Washington, and I have to tell you that we weren&#8217;t quite prepared for what we saw. My wife described the movie as &#8220;poetically violent&#8221;. I &#8230; <a href="http://covenantoflove.net/christianity/protestant-christianity/the-book-of-eli/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" title="Book of Eli" src="http://chip.lv/onelife/uploads/2010/01/the-book-of-eli-movie-image-denzel-washington-1.jpg" alt="" width="202" height="189" />My wife and I just got back from watching the Book of Eli starring Denzel Washington, and I have to tell you that we weren&#8217;t quite prepared for what we saw.</p>
<p>My wife described the movie as &#8220;poetically violent&#8221;. I like action movies but I&#8217;m not really into gore (squirting blood and all). So if anyone has seen SAW or Rambo 4 you may not relate, but this has been one of the goriest movies I&#8217;ve seen in a long time.</p>
<p>Putting that criticism aside (and the fact that there were a few &#8220;F&#8221; bombs), it was a fascinating and even stimulating movie.  I sometimes felt as though Eli (Denzel) was like a futuristic Abraham, receiving a divine call to go to a land he doesn&#8217;t know and to &#8211; quite literally &#8211; walk by faith (you have to see the movie, I&#8217;m not going to spoil it for you).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll share a bit of the plot here, but don&#8217;t worry no spoilers. The movie takes place sometime not far from &#8220;now&#8221; after WWIII turns the surviving humanity into nomads, and sometimes cannibals. And Eli has within his possession the last remaing copy of the Bible in the world, and with it he&#8217;s been given a divine mission.</p>
<p>The villian in the movie is a man who remembers the &#8220;power&#8221; of the Book and has been searching for years to get his hands on it. Upon discovering that it is in Eli&#8217;s possession the man stops at nothing to obtain it.</p>
<p>Throughout the film Eli turns a blind eye to people who are in need, who are in danger and who are being killed and raped; reminding himself to keep to his mission and that nothing else matters. But at one point in the film Eli and a young woman who has &#8220;tagged along&#8221; are surrended by the bad guys. The woman was held a gun point and Eli is asked to give up the Book to save her life. To everyone surprise he does just that.</p>
<p>Later he is asked why, if the book is that important, would give it over to the enemy to save her life. His responds with a lesson we Protestants need to take to heart.</p>
<blockquote><p>I have cared for it for so long, and I got so caught up in protecting the book, that I have forgotten to go and do what I learned from it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What did it teach you?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Do unto others more then you do for yourselves. At least that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve gotton from it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sometimes we can get so caught up in defending the Book, in protecting the Book, that we have forgotten that the Book &#8211; as important as it is &#8211; is only a book apart from its Author. I hear the concern from my Catholic friends that we Protestants have fallen into a kind of idolatry, worshipping a book over it&#8217;s Creator. Many treat the Book as though it is magical in its own right, going so far as the chant it for healing like a warlock might do as he casts a spell. Many think there is power in the Word; and by Word they mean the ink on the pages of their genuine leather <em>KJV</em>.</p>
<p>But the scriptures are emphatic. The Word of God is not an object, a thing. He is a person, the Son of God and the Son of Man. John states, &#8220;In the beginning was the Word&#8230;&#8221; but he does not continue, &#8220;and the Word became a book, ink, pages, bonded leather, gold imprinted KJV&#8221; or any other nonesense like that. He writes, &#8220;and the Word became flesh&#8221;. The risen Jesus states that all authority has been given to Him [Matthew 28:18]. By whom? Paul writes that all authority is from God [Rom 13:1].</p>
<p>As N.T. Wright points out, when the Reformers utter the phrase &#8220;authority of scripture&#8221;, that this phrase was a short way of saying, &#8220;authority of God as it is exercised <em>through </em>the scriptures&#8221; [<a title="The Last Word" href="http://www.amazon.com/Last-Word-Understanding-Authority-Scripture/dp/0060816090/ref=sr_1_4/179-4710224-8138801?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1264220333&amp;sr=8-4" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Last-Word-Understanding-Authority-Scripture/dp/0060816090/ref=sr_1_4/179-4710224-8138801?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1264220333_amp_sr=8-4&amp;referer=');">Chpt. 1</a>]. But the shorthand way of refering to Gods authority exercised through the scriptures has become so common that it has actually supplanted the intention of those who used it.</p>
<p>People have forgotten that the phrase, &#8220;the authory of the scriptures&#8221; is actually a reference to Gods authority and not just the authority of a book. I think that if we would all begin to get this write it would clear up many confusions, bad doctrines, biblical abuses (such as the &#8220;venerable dogmatic approach&#8221; as one scholar put it &#8211; proof texting [<a title="The Witness of Jesus Paul and John" href="http://www.amazon.com/Witness-Jesus-Paul-John-Exploration/dp/0830828885/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1264220466&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Witness-Jesus-Paul-John-Exploration/dp/0830828885/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1264220466_amp_sr=8-1&amp;referer=');">Larry Heyler p.32</a>) and even begin to clear some debris between Catholics and Protestants.</p>
<blockquote><p>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father. [John 1:1, John 1:14]</p></blockquote>
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		<title>N.T. Wright on Protestant/Catholic Dialogue and New Year&#8217;s Resolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Ouellette</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think dialogue &#8211; the good kind &#8211; can be very beneficial between different traditions of the Christian faith. More olive branches and less rhetoric, that&#8217;s the motto I want to display. This doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t hold our own &#8230; <a href="http://covenantoflove.net/christianity/catholic-christianity/n-t-wright-on-protestantcatholic-dialogue/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think dialogue &#8211; the good kind &#8211; can be very beneficial between different traditions of the Christian faith. More olive branches and less rhetoric, that&#8217;s the motto I want to display.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t hold our own views or that we flip flop to everyone else&#8217;s. It means that we hold our views in humility, admitting &#8211; at least to ourselves &#8211; that we may not have all of the answers. That some of the things in our traditions may be incorrect.</p>
<p>On that note, N.T. Wright recently shared something he heard while visiting the Vatican city not long ago:</p>
<blockquote><p>I spent three very happy weeks as the Anglican observer at the Vatican’s Synod of Bishops last October. They were talking about the Bible: about how for so long they have more or less banned the laity from reading or studying it, and how now they want to change all that, to insist that every Catholic man, woman, child, cat and dog should have the Bible in their own mother tongue and be taught to read it, study it, pray with it, individually and together. Hallelujah! Who knows what might happen!</p>
<p>Question: why did nobody say this in 1525? If they had, we’d have been saved a lot of bother.</p>
<p>Let’s engage cheerfully in as much discussion with our Roman friends as we can. They are among my best ecumenical conversation partners, and some of them are among my dear friends. &#8211; <a title="Kingdom People by Trevin Wax" href="http://trevinwax.com/2009/10/31/n-t-wright-on-protestant-catholic-relations/" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/trevinwax.com/2009/10/31/n-t-wright-on-protestant-catholic-relations/?referer=');">From Kingdom People Blog</a></p></blockquote>
<p>We have all come along way and we all have much more ground to cover. But which person do you want to be, the one who they say about, &#8220;why didn&#8217;t he/she take that position back in 2010? It would have saved everyone a lot of bother&#8221;, or &#8220;here is a person who was more concerned about the Truth then defending the truths of their traditions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Join me in determining in ourselves to commit to making 2010 a year of Biblical and Theological Reform and Spiritual Renewal like never before.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;">Happy New Year!</h2>
<h2 style="text-align: center;">Make it one to be proud of!</h2>
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		<title>Not All Reformers Are The Same</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Ouellette</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have friends in the Catholic Church, and this post is for them. You often charge: Faith is a work. I agree. You say: Salvation is of God, but conditioned by our response. I say “amen”. Then I scratch my &#8230; <a href="http://covenantoflove.net/reformed-theology-theology/not-all-reformers-are-the-same/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have friends in the Catholic Church, and this post is for them.</p>
<p>You often charge: Faith is a work. I agree. You say: Salvation is of God, but conditioned by our response. I say “amen”. Then I scratch my head in bewilderment: what are we debating?</p>
<p>Yes the so-called <em>neo-reformed</em> are out in full bloom. Sure their doctrines of <em>sola fide</em> and <em>sola scriptura</em> have no teeth. But I need to remind you that…</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>NOT ALL REFORMERS ARE THE SAME!</strong></h3>
<p>The Reformation stood on principles. PRINCIPLES! We are not crafted in cookie cutter fashion. We do not all agree on doctrines, <em>we agree on principles</em>.</p>
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<li><strong>Principle 1</strong>: <em>Sola Scriptura</em> – Scripture is our highest authority (without rejecting the testimony of Tradition)</li>
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<li><strong>Principle 2</strong>: <em>Semper Reformanda</em> (Always Reforming) – The Reformers recognized that there was much work to be done, and so we are challenged to keep in an attitude of reform, always returning to Principle 1!</li>
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<li><strong>Principle 3</strong>: <em>Sola Gratia</em> – Salvation is by God’s good grace alone. Had God not sent his Son into the world to die for the world of undeserving people, no one would be saved.</li>
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<li><strong>Principle 4</strong>: <em>Sola Fide</em> – Salvation, in order for it to take effect, calls for a response of faith from man. No one is saved by work of moral effort, nor can anyone will power themselves into the Kingdom.</li>
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<p>You and I, we have very many differences. But when we discuss our differences, please keep in mind that I may not fit the mold of others you have debated in the Reformed Tradition.</p>
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