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Did God Bring Beautiful Weather Just For You?
Have you ever heard people say, “I prayed for beautiful weather, and look, isn’t it a gorgeous day? God answered my prayer.” or “I really prayed for the Toronto Maple Leafs to win, and look! It’s a miracle, they beat Detroit!” I always shudder when I hear people say things like this. It makes me think, “but what about the farmers who are in need to rain for their crops?” Or “what about the person praying that the Red Wings would win?”
I find such prayers egocentrical. I find it hard to believe that God caused the sun to shine just for you, just to answer your prayer. Or that it was because of your prayers that your favourite team won.
Yet I have not given this much thought aside from my knee-jerk shudder. So that’s what this post is about. It is not to say, “this is what I believe”, but rather “here’s what I’m thinking”. Your comments will be appreciated.
I am exploring this today because recently I was on the “giving” end of one of these answered prayers. I have giving in quotations because if I was an answer to this prayer it was 1) against my desire and 2) involved international tragically breaking news, all for a rather trivial request: a notebook.
My Trivial Case Study
I was working alone in the bookstore the other night when an article reporting the death of Steve Jobs caught my attention. I’ve recently taken an interest in Mac as a result of my conversion from Microsoft last week, and knowing that closing time was only a few moments away leaving me with a few free minutes on my hands, I decided to quickly read the article before closing up the store.
The article was longer than I expected and when I glanced at my watch it was 9:05 p.m. I hurried to the front door to lock it up but before I could get there a car had raced to a screeching halt as two passengers shot out like a slingshot and into the store. I told them that we had closed five minutes ago but they pleaded that all they needed was a notebook; they’d be very quick. I agreed, locking them in and rushing them over to our notebook section. “We’re closed, you have two minutes so make it quick” I said, anxious to get home. Their mom thanked me profusely for allowing them into the store. “We prayed all the way here” she said, “Oh God, we know we’re going to be late, please let them be open”. As they were leaving the older boy said to his mom, “it’s amazing. We prayed so hard all the way here. We were five minutes late and somehow God was still faithful!”
Was I a reluctant tool in the hands of God for a trivial request? I didn’t know the urgency for which they needed the notebook. I didn’t ask. But clearly there was a sense of desperation.
The Question Behind the Question
But my inquiry goes much deeper than that.
- I was late closing the store because I had dabbled on the Internet when there was work to be done, and this is how I came across the article concerning the death of Steve Jobs.
- I had a heightened interest in the death of Steve Jobs because last week I bought my first MacBook Pro.
- I bought my MacBook Pro last week because my Acer Netbook had died on me and I had vowed months ago that my next computer would be a Mac.
- I vowed my next compute would be a Mac when my computer proved incapable of finalizing a slideshow for a wedding I had done as a favour. In a pinch (the day before the wedding), my friend let me use his Mac (my first experience with one) and the slideshow was a huge success.
No doubt I could easily trace this further, but you get the idea. How involved was God in this whole process to get me to the point where I would get lost in an article regarding the death of Steve Jobs, thus being an answer to an urgent prayer request for a notebook? I don’t know and I don’t think I can know in this life (1 Cor. 13:12).
But I believe by conviction that God’s sovereignty means that he must be – whether directly or indirectly, through direct cause or permissiveness – involved in everything.
How Involved Is God?
This is actually a hard pill for me to swallow. My openness to the Open view of God challenges this concept of God’s involvement in everything. Greg Boyd lays out the principle that God causes those things that God wants to make happen (sort of like Calvinism) even to the point of overriding human free will. God only foreknows with absolutely certainty those things that God directly makes happen. But since God does not make everything happen, he does not know with absolute certainty what will happen in most cases.
In other words it seems to me that God is directly involved in the “big picture” things, but is hands off on the small day to day things.[i] But this train of thought can lead to an almost deistic view of God: present to drive the main story, but absent in the subplots. Even if we say that God is “working” in those small mundane things, how does he answer direct prayer requests without having a more direct involvement in the seemingly mundane things leading up to the fulfillment of a trivial request?
I think this is precisely the point some critics of the Open view of God make. Three hundred years before the biblical king Josiah’s spiritual reform of Judah he is prophesied by name. This is one of the most specific and clear prophecies in all of scripture. But when we begin to reflect on all of the causations it took to bring about that very specific prophecy, it becomes difficult to imagine how God was any less involved in the mundane details leading up to its fulfillment as he was in the big picture.[ii]
The same seems true of my own experience. It is difficult to imagine how it is that God was directly involved in the final event resulting in the fulfillment of the rather trivial prayer request, without him also being somehow directly or indirectly involved in every causation that led up to that point.
Is “God answered my prayer” Self-Centered?
So then can that boy really say that God answered his prayer without being self-centered by saying so? To word it another way, did every causation that led up to the fulfillment of his prayer – my divorce from Microsoft, the nearly failed wedding slideshow, the crash of my Acer, my recent acquisition of a MacBook Pro coupled with my recent interest in Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs death itself, my doodling on the internet against work policy, my coming across that article and so on – all happen to answer a single prayer request for a notebook?
I think the answer is actually yes and no.
As I said, it’s difficult to imagine how God was directly involved in the final event in light of all of the causes that led up to that event without also acknowledging that God was involved in those events as well.
Let’s approach this from another angle.
Imagine that my Acer flawlessly performed the actions I need it to do in order to present that wedding slideshow, thus I never had that experience with a Mac. My Acer finally crashed out on me, but rather than investing in a MacBook Pro I purchase another inexpensive Microsoft computer. I would never have had a particular interest in Steve Jobs when he resigned from Mac and while his death probably would have caught my interest, the interest would have been peaked not by who he was (I didn’t know who Steve Jobs was in July!), but rather by the onslaught of bloggers and Facebook users flooding the internet with reports of Jobs passing. In that case I may have eventually read the article, but probably not immediately. At 9:00 p.m. I would have closed down the store and been gone before 9:05. The customers would have pulled in as I was leaving, at which point I would have shrugged my shoulders as I passed them in the parking lot and headed home.
What then would the boy say about his prayer request to God? That God didn’t answer? That God was not faithful? So it seems to me that those causes had to happen or else that boy’s prayer request would not have been fulfilled. Thus by implication God was involved in those causes.
So I think the answer is “yes” in that in, through and by those events the boy could praise God for answering his rather trivial prayer request. But I also believe the answer is also “no”, I don’t believe God was involved in any of those things just to answer that boy’s trivial prayer request.
Is God’s Infiniteness The Answer?
The idea that either God directly causes all things to happen so that he did all of these things that impacts so many people just to answer one boy’s prayer request is absurd to my mind. But on the other hand the idea that God is helplessly and hopelessly working in situations that are completely out of his control (so that he might respect human free will) supposing that – in our situation – God can only be said to be “faithful” because I chose to go along for the ride (which, in fact, I didn’t); this idea seems just as dangerous.[iii]
The answer I believe is found – or at least partly found – in God’s infiniteness. That is, God’s picture is unfathomably larger than yours and mine. By causing or allowing a single seemingly mundane thing – such as the falling of a tree somewhere in the amazon or a person tripping on a step and hurting her knee – God sees every ripple effect of that cause and has in mind an infinite amount of things he plans to accomplish through those things.
That is, yes God was involved in all of those things to bring about an answer to a rather trivial prayer request. But he was involved in none of those things just to bring about an answer to a trivial prayer request. Because what came from those things – what you and I will never either in this life or the next even glimpse the full scope of – is so far beyond me that all I know is that one evening I was annoyed by two shoppers who barged into the store five minutes after closing; and all that boy knows is that somehow, some way, God answered his prayer.
[i] Open Theists would not say that God is “hands off on the small day to day things”; they would rather say that God works in those things, but does not do so in a way that disrespects human free will.
[ii] Cf. 1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 22: ff.
[iii] It seems here that I am being a little bit of a reductionist by oversimplifying a rather complicated discussion. It should also be remembered that I have not touched on even a small percentage of the issues in this discussion, such as natural disasters.
God and Time: My View – Infinite Sequential Moments
This post follows the last (and in temporal order at that!).
“God and Time: Four Views” is very helpful in working out this subject by reading back-and-forth essays by professional Christian philosophers. What made this book exceptional – and why I gave it four stars – was the discussion that followed each essay. Not only were each other allowed to respond and critique each essay, but the essayist was allowed an opportunity to respond to their critique and clarify themselves. This back-and-forth made the book indispensable.
My own view falls somewhere between Alan and Nick. Both of these philosophers believe that God is temporal in relation to creation. Where they disagree is on the nature of God in relation to pre-creation (notice the temporal designation there). Alan believes that God is temporal before creation, but he believes that God’s temporality was something he called “pure duration”. Nick claims to be agnostic on the question of God’s pre-creation existence, but it seems that he sees scripture as promoting God’s temporality pre-creation, and thus he sees a distinction between God experiencing duration and the creation of cyclical time itself.
But what’s the problem? It seems that one of the dilemmas each writer faces is the question of measured duration in an infinite universe. This is why Alan advocates “immeasurable pure-duration“, why Craig advocates God’s “timelessness without creation”, and why Nick remains agnostic on the idea. The dilemma is thus: how can you measure, say, c to d to e, or c to e and so on in an infinite universe? Such measurements presupposes an “alpha“. That is, if we are talking about the sequential moments from b to c to d to e and so on, then that presupposes an “a“, a beginning, which is incompatible with infinity.
But I reject this philosophical dilemma on the grounds that the same argument can be used against the existence of God himself. It boils down to our inability to comprehend the existence of an infinite God. But this philosophical dilemma does not prevent any of the authors of this book from affirming an infinite God. On those same grounds I argue that our inability to comprehend infinite measurable time (or we could call it “infinite sequential duration”) should not prevent us from affirming it. I would then argue that we have good reason for affirming ISD (infinite sequential duration) rooted in our affirmation of the existence of God himself.
P1: If we believe in the existence of God as an infinite Trinitarian Being
P2: If we accept that although we cannot comprehend it, it must be true
P3: If we believe that to “live” and to “exist” requires sequential moments (temporality)
C: Temporality must be infinite as well
To put it another way. Since God is infinite and Trinitarian (that is, in communion within the Godhead) he must experience sequential moments for as long as he exists – infinity. Thus I have no problem affirming infinite sequential moments on the same grounds for affirming the existence of an infinite Trinitarian Being.
Guide To ‘Anthropomorphic’ Language
God is beyond our finite comprehension. Just the other day I engaged in a discussion with a friend where we tried to conceive of what God’s existence must be like. In the end we could do nothing but affirm the words of G.K. Chesterton:
“The poet only asks to get his head into the heavens. It is the logician who seeks to get the heavens into his head. And it is his head that splits”. (Orthodoxy)
That is certain truth. Still the fact remains that God created humans as dialogical beings as he is dialogical himself. Than God took the next step to engage in dialogue with us. Conversation can only be conversation if both partners understand one another. We are finite and so we can never fully grasp God. And so God sometimes uses analogical language to help us get a sense of who he is and how he operates. He is said to be our “King” and to have “eagles wings”. We are in a sense in a husband/wife relationship with him. Not in reality. But that is the closest relationship on earth that mirrors God’s relationship with us. The professional term here is “anthropomorphic”. A word that means to attribute to God certain human characteristics.
But how do we determine what language is anthropomorphic and which language is to be taken as literal truth? Some scholars figure that since God is infinite that all language used to talk about God in the scriptures must be anthropomorphic – especially language suggesting that God is not timeless or wholly impassible. But to me this assumption is unnecessary and incoherent. The reason is because God has engage in dialogue with humans and he has revealed himself in the scriptures and ultimately through Jesus and in every way that he has revealed himself to us, he has always revealed truth about himself. If God has shown in our conversation that he has emotions, then what truth is revealed about God if that fact where not true?
Greg Boyd offers some much ado hermeneutical principles about anthropomorphic language:
1. You can recognize anthropomorphic language if something is said about God that is ridiculous if taken literally (e.g. God is our “husband” – Hosea 2:2)
2. You can recognize anthropomorphic language if the genre of the passage is poetic (e.g. God has protecting wings – Psalms 17:8).
3. Whenever anthropomorphic language is used about God, it is always speaking something truthfully about him (e.g. God’s “arms” speaks of his strength and “wings” speaks of his protection).
The point is that if these principles are applied it will safeguard against an unnecessary overuse or abuse of a literary technique (anthropomorphicism) and will foster more careful attention to Biblical passages that may or may not challenge our understanding of the nature of God. For example, it is clear if these principles are applied that there is actually nothing ridiculous when the Bible talks about God changing his mind, regretting decisions, thinking et cetera. And if the Bible tells us that God is surprised or disappointed (e.g. Jeremiah 3) when it is not truth, we learn nothing about God and the Scriptures would simply be misleading.
Boyd, God of the Possible, p.118.
A Timelss Wooden Throne
I feel like a boy in the Kings army who one day receives a message from a teacher in the royal court telling me there is no real King.

But I’ll get to that in a moment.
The theory of “divine accommodation” (that God “accommodates” himself to humans) needs to be approached with caution. It seems clear from a straightforward reading of Scripture that some language about God is figurative (i.e. God is not my husband nor should I suppose that he is flying about with eagles wings somewhere). But it seems just as clear from a straightforward reading of Scripture that other language used to describe God is not figurative. That God learns things, that he changes his mind, that he regrets and is sometimes surprised.
But we’re told that this way of speaking of our divine being is not appropriate. We’re told to believe what the historic Christian faith imagines God to be like. That this other language used to describe God is figurative as well. We’re told that God is “timeless” and that he is “emotionless”. That he doesn’t change and that he really doesn’t “feel” anything at all. That he doesn’t move or make decisions. He doesn’t really perform actions because actions require duration which a timeless being is incapable of doing – or else he wouldn’t be timeless. We are told that this is the image of the Christian God. He is not as he has revealed himself in the Bible. That “revelation”, we are told, is “not literally true”. The revelation of God’s word is a lie. We are not to trust the Word of God; we are to rather place our trust in theological and philosophical constructs. Paul Helm says as much:
“If a timelessly eternal God is to communicate to embodied intelligent creatures, who exist in space and time and to bring about his purposes through them, and particularly to gain certain kinds of responses from them, then he must do so by representing himself to them in ways that are not literally true.”[1]
If God is to communicate with us, he is to represent himself in a false manner? I don’t get it, what kind of communication is based on misrepresentation? What’s going on here – we are told – is a case of God not wanting to reveal himself as he really is, so he’s left that responsibility in the hands of the theologians.
When I became a Christian I did so because I believed in the God of the Bible. It was that plain and simple. He loved me. He died for me. He cares for me. He reached out to me. He feels my pain. And what’s more? He’s holy and yes, sometimes angry. He deals with sin one way or another. “He acted then, and he’ll do it again” was one slogan I knew well. I watched the Jesus film as God incarnate, Emmanuel, was illustrated before my very eyes through the medium of modern technology. I fell to my knees in belief. I prayed. I hold Jesus that I wanted to follow him. “I will serve you” I said.
But now we’re told to stop suckling on milk and chomp on some real meat. God is not really all of those things you just said. He only made you think he was like that because you were only a baby and he had to talk to you like a baby. He needed to accommodate himself to you.
But now, here’s the meat: God is static. He is timeless. He is emotionless.
So why then, I want to know, did God reveal himself as having emotions if he has none?
The answer:
“If dialogue between God and humankind is to be real and not make-believe, then God cannot represent himself (in his role as dialogue partner) as wholly immutable.”[2]
Have you ever felt like you’ve been duped? Like the mission you’ve set your mind to has been based on a false pretense? Because that’s what theologians are telling me: I’ve been duped. It’s like the day my mom sat me on her knee and explained to me that Santa Clause doesn’t really exist. I wondered how she could lie to me all of those years. I was devastated.
Christianity had lied to me. It had promised one thing and delivered another. It told me what God is like, and then told me that God is not really like that at all.
I feel like a boy in the Kings army who one day receives a message from a teacher in the royal court telling me there is no real King. There is a throne, of course. And that throne is emblematic of a once for all declared cause. But at the end of the day it is just a throne. Just a chair in a really large room. It does not give out any more commands. It does not comfort, nor protect. It does not care, love, get angry or act in any way.
One thing it does, it does not go away. It is there, as it always will be.
A timeless
Wooden
Throne.
I may only be a boy in the Kings army. I may not be a distinguished teach with accolades behind my name and church leaders like Aquinas and Calvin tucked away in my back pocket.
But I’m nobody’s fool.
I flip the letter over and write on the back these words before I send it with the messenger to return it from whence it came:
“I’ve met the King, and trust His word”
I cannot accept systems of theology that try and go behind God’s self-revelation in Jesus and the scriptures and try and convince me that God is actually something else altogether. I cannot accept a system of theology that asks me to trust in it rather than the Word of God.
Top 6 Misnomers about Open Theism
From reading books criticizing Open Theism to many casual conversations online and in person, I have formed a list of the top 6 misnomers about Open Theism:
Misnomer 6: Open Theism is regurgitated Arminianism.
This is an unfair criticism which almost always comes from Calvinist. It is unfair because it fails to pay proper due to vital distinctions between these views. Granted people usually travel through Arminianism on their way to Open Theism, but the difference is significant enough that the two cannot be equated as the same. The vital difference, of course, is that Arminianism is largely based on the concept of Simple Foreknowledge. For Open Theism, there is nothing “simple” about God’s foreknowledge.
Misnomer 5: Open Theism teaches that God does not know the Future.
It might shock some people to discover that Open Theism is quite indebted to Calvinism in at least two crucial ways: 1) Open Theism believes that God foreknows that which he foreordains. Like Calvinism (and unlike Arminianism) God’s foreknowledge is based on what he has predetermined to sovereignly cause and to sovereignly make happen. 2) God sovereignly over-rules man’s free will in order to sovereignly cause or sovereignly make what he has predetermined to happen, happen. So it is not accurate to say that God does not know the future. He knows it in so far as he determines it.
Misnomer 4: Open Theism undermines God’s Divine Sovereignty.
Again, and not surprisingly, this criticism comes largely from the Calvinist camp and is based on the commandeering of the term “sovereignty”. Open Theist understand the term sovereignty to be a reference to God’s ability and authority, and does not see sovereignty as a term which preconditions God to control all things. Open Theists (like Arminians) teach that God has the sovereign right and ability to limit himself if he so sovereignly chooses too, and for the sake of the covenant which God established with humanity, he chose to limit his foreknowledge. This allows for a genuine relationship between God and his children.
Misnomer 3: Open Theism undermines biblical prophecy.
Many Christians find their faithful security blanket in biblical prophecy. Wherever Open Theism is introduced the first kneejerk reaction is to ask: What about prophecy? Doesn’t Open Theism cast doubt on biblical prophecy? Open Theism believes that there are two types of prophecy in the scriptures, contingent prophecy and determination prophecy. 1) Contingent prophecy is evident throughout the scriptures everywhere terms like “if” or “maybe” or “perhaps” comes from God’s lips; they are contingent upon the actions of individuals (e.g. Jeremiah 26:3). 2) Determined prophecies are prophecies which God himself has determined will happen and sovereignly makes or causes that thing to happen (e.g. Ezekiel 24:14).
Misnomer 2: Open Theism undermines future prophecy.
In close relation to Misnomer 3 is the fear that somehow our future in Christ may not be secure. Is it possible that in the end the Devil might just pull a quick on one God and win the day? First it is important to note that the end has been determined by God, the fact that God wins in contingent upon nothing but God’s sovereignty. Second, the question about the enemy maybe pulling a quick one on God may reveal something of the questioner’s idea of God; as if God, if he were not in control of every detail, can’t control anything. From the Open Theist perspective, the concept of god this question is based on is simply too small. Open Theism believes that God is omnicapable, omniresourceful and infinitely intelligent as well as omnipotent. Like a master chess player – only infinitely more so because God is infinite – God sees every possible move the enemy could ever possibly do and God has prepared an action for everyone one of those moves. The enemy cannot win, because God said so.
Misnomer 1: Open Theism denies God’s omniscience.
Since many people take for granted the belief that the future is already determined completely (something Calvinists and Arminians agree on), it seems obvious to them that if God were to not know the future fully, this must mean that God must not be omniscient. This amounts to a denial of an orthodox attribute of God. But Open Theism has a different view of time. The Open Theist understanding of time is that the future simply does not exist yet, and there is nothing in reality or science to suggest that it does. So, beginning on that premise (and not on the Calvinist/Arminian premise) God can still be omniscient, he can still know everything, without knowing the future exhaustively. There are two reasons for this: 1) theologians and Christian philosophers have long acknowledged that God cannot do what is logically impossible. For example, God cannot hear silence because silence is the absence of sound, there is nothing to hear, and therefore it is logically impossible for God to hear silence. Because the future simply does not exist, it is unknowable and it is logically impossible to know the unknowable. 2) Because omniscience is defined as knowing all there is to know, and because the future is not knowable the way the past and present are, God can be omniscient and yet not know the future.
On the Slander of Open Theism
Okay, so here’s the rub. I have read at least twenty books on Open Theism, at least half of which were written by Calvinist’s, and the rest by Open Theists. I hold the term/label “Open Theism” at arm’s length because on the one hand I see a solid argument in favour of Open Theism established on the bedrock of scripture, while on the other hand I struggle over certain (albeit rare) interpreted passages and philosophical assumptions (my own).
Still, perhaps because I am so well informed on the subject (by contrast to the engagement I’ve experienced on-line via facebook and blogs and sadly even by what I’ve read in many books written by “professionals”), I get frustrated over what usually amounts – at minimum – to simple ignorance or – at most – pure unadulterated slander. Such slanderous myths include:
- Open Theism/theist is nothing but recycled Arminianism.
- Open Theism/theist denies God’s sovereignty.
- Open Theism/theist reject the atonement.
- Open Theism/theist is akin to socinianism.
- Open Theism/theist denies God’s omniscience.
- et cetera, et cetera, et cetera…
Can you image the frustration the early church must have endured when they were accused by the wider public of cannibalism? They gathered together once a week to “eat the flesh and drink the blood” of some guy. Rumors flew and spiraled out of control and before long, everyone believed that Christians were cannibals. This must be the same frustration felt by those who hold to Open Theism; having to endure constant slander and misrepresentation. But there is a difference in the example given: in the early churches communion service, the Eucharist was practiced in private, and only baptized Christians were permitted to even be present. So naturally rumors spread out of ignorance because the outside world had no outlet to inform them as to what was really being practiced. By wide contrast, books by Open Theist are widely available and so those who slander out of ignorance are without excuse. And those who misrepresent but who do know what Open Theist believe, they will be held to great account.
Roger Olson has taken this slander (and those who do the slandering – without naming names) to task. Read his post here!
(P.S. Olson is a firm classical Arminian who rejects Open Theism, but defends its evangelical validity. I add this note for those who have uncritically accepted the myth that Open Theism as simply recycled Arminianism.)
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Clark Pinnock R.I.P.: Thanks for the Plow
It is difficult to overstate the influence Clark Pinnock has had on me and many others. I knew my chances of taking a class at McMaster in Hamilton Ontario (only three hours from where I live) under his tutelage were unlikely, but I hoped.
Clark is like the forefather of Post-conservative theology. The head runner to forward thinking, always accompanied by the humility required to admit a wayward path if only to somehow attain the truth. You might say he plowed the way for many of us to follow. He writes:
Not only am I often not listened to, I am also made to feel stranded theologically: being too much of a free thinker to be accepted by the evangelical establishment and too much of a conservative to be accepted by the liberal mainline.
I feel the same way. I want to cry out, “That’s me! That’s me too!” A quote I endeavor to model my faith after comes from Clement of Alexandria:
If our faith is such that it is destroyed by force of argument, then let it be destroyed for it would be proved that we do not possess the truth.
If Clement laid out the philosophy, Clark lived out the philosophy as a model to follow. From liberal Baptist to conservative Evangelical. From biblical inerrantist to biblical infallibilism. From exclusivist to inclusionist. From an orthodox theology of hell to a heterodox theology of anniliationism. From staunch cessationist to charismatic renewalist. From established Calvinist to forerunner and defender of Open Theism (or neo-Arminianism).
No one is going to follow all of Clark’s theological shifts. No one should. But I wish more Christians followed Clark’s openness, willingness and embrace of free-thinking and his post-conservative approach to life and theology.
Clark Pinnock passed away August 15th, 2010 from a heart attack. (ct. reports it here.) More on Clark Pinnock and how his theology has influenced me personally to come.
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Is God like the gods: Noah and Utnapishtum
I made a new friend on my blog, xTraex, who first commented on the post, Time To Unlearn a Few Things. In that post I made the case, using Walter Brueggemann’s book An Unsettling God as a point of reference, that the Hebrew testimony of God is not like the platonic god of traditional theism.
xTraex raised the concern that if God can be moved, if he is emotional, if he is effected by the passing of time and if he changes (or at least changes his mind), wouldn’t he be the same as the ancient gods of Greek mythology? (See the post for my answer to that question.)
The story of Noah presents an interesting case study because it reveals God precisely as I suggested in that prior post (the biblical account describes God as being “sorry” that he created man and “it grieved him to his heart“), and because there is a Mesopotamian parallel to this story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Both stories are similar in that humanity is destroyed by a flood brought about by the divine, and one man and his family escape the disaster (Noah/Utnapishtum) by way of a “box” (Hebrew).
So because God is depicted as acting on emotion with a heart that was grieved to action, what distinguishes him from the gods in the Gilgamesh story?
In the Gilgamesh story the gods actions seem arbitrary (they destroyed the earth because humans were annoying them by making noise). The Greek myth gods are just as arbitrary, cruel, lustful and all things immoral. The striking difference between them and God is his faithful and righteous character.
How can we be sure that “the gods” will not destroy the earth again with a flood? We can be sure because God (← capital “G”) has unilaterally made an unconditional covenant with Noah which he sealed with a sign. Unlike the ancient myth gods, the God of the scriptures is righteous, faithful, calculated and purposeful.
We humans are a creation of God’s imagination and made in His image to be like him (Gen 1:26). We should not be surprised that the scriptures depict God as emotional, he’s our Dad and we are emotional beings who take after Him. This thought does not create God in our image, it acknowledges that we are created in his.
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Time To Unlearn A Few Things
I suggest that if we put the question of Calvinism and Arminianism aside for a time and study God as he has revealed himself in the scriptures we will not discover Aristotle’s Unmoved Mover as Calvinism has always espoused; in fact we may not even discover God as the Arminian understands him. It may be, after seeking to discover the God of the scriptures on their own terms, that we may discover the God of Open Theism quite by accident! Not of Calvin’s Unmoved Mover, but of Pinnock’s Most Moved Mover.We will, in all probability, discover as John Sanders said, a God Who Risks. This – I believe – is the truth we all must wrestle with whether or not we embrace Open Theism.
Walter Brueggemann, one of the foremost Old Testament scholars, seems quite disinterested in questions of determinism and foreknowledge – except when specific texts’ call attention to such speculation – and in the debates between Calvinism and Arminianism (and Open Theism). But in his studies of the God of the Old Testament, the “Hebrew testimony” and portrayal of YWHW, he writes: “the defining category for faith in the Old Testament is dialogue, whereby all parties – including God – are changed in a dialogic exchange that is potentially transformative for all parties… including God.” And again, “The Old Testament is an invitation to reimagine our life and our faith as an on-going dialogic transaction in which all parties are variously summoned to risk and change.” He goes on:
“When we are freed of static categories of interpretation that are widely utilized among us, we are able to see that the articulation of God in the Old Testament partakes exactly of the quality of complexity, dynamism, and fluidity that belong to the post-modern world… such an open and thick articulation of faith may be threatening to some and may require unlearning by us all”. An Unsettling God; 2009, p.xii; italics added.
What a powerful statement from a man who is not interested in sustaining “static categories of interpretation” such as Calvinism or Arminianism; neither, it is prudent to add, is he interested in Open Theism. When Brueggemann approaches the scriptures he does not ask, is the God of Calvin here or the God of Arminius or the God of Pinnock? When Brueggemann approaches the Old Testament he asks the question to the ancient Hebrews, “Who do you say that He is?” Sometimes we see the categories of Calvin and sometimes we see the categories of Arminius, this is partly what makes God “unsettling”, because YWHW cannot be made to easily fit into our “static categories of interpretation” – He is too big, and we are too fallible.
Yet it is a fearful road Brueggemann offers, it is a road of discomfort; because in asking the Hebrews and not the Greeks “Who is YWHW?” he finds himself immediately at odds with classical Christian theology.
“In… much classical Christian theology, ‘God’ can be understood in terms of quite settled categories that are, for the most part, inimical to the biblical tradition. The casting of the classical tradition… is primarily informed by the Unmoved Mover of Hellenistic thought… a Being completely apart from and unaffected by the reality of the world” [p.1]
We have come to a point – or perhaps we have always been there – where the God revealed by the Hebrew testimony is rather embarrassing to our sensibilities. The Hebrews speak of a God affected by the passing of time; a God emotionally invested in his creation and sometimes those emotions are even mixed. They speak of a God whose mind is not settled and what’s worse, they don’t seem to mind this God at all! This God repents, He laughs, He tests, He changes His mind and what’s more, He allows his creation to move Him to action and at other times, they have the power to stay His wrathful hand.
“It is common to be embarrassed about the anthropomorphic aspects of this God, so embarrassed as to want to explain away such a characterization or at least to transpose it into a form that better serves a generic notion of God…. All such embarrassments, however, fail to do justice to the scriptural tradition.” [p.2]
Again, Walter Brueggemann has called us out on the carpet; all of us! Classical Christianity cannot escape the ugly reality that we have since near the beginning been embarrassed of the Hebrew testimony of God and so silenced it. It does not jive well with our sensibilities, our Hellenistic sensibilities. But who is the guilty one; are they or are we? It is not they who are being unfaithful to the scriptures; indeed they wrote them! And instead of being embarrassed of the Hebrew testimony of YWHW we ought to be embarrassed of our selves. It will no longer do, in my mind, to dismiss the challenge of the Old Testament as embarrassing “anthropomorphic” ramblings of ancient people. Christianity needs – to some extent – to put Classical Christian Theology on trial and the judge ought not to be Aristotle, but Abraham. Classical Christian Theology is in need of purification, and its filter ought to be the scriptures.
Themes and Transformations in Old Testament Prophecy (In Review)
Themes and Transformations in Old Testament Prophecy
By Samuel Meier
4.5 Stars (out of 5)
The more I read Old Testament scholars the more aware I become that the “standard categories” of a deterministic God and future is not so “standard” after all. These Biblical Old Testament scholars make the jobs of Systematic Theologians difficult because the nature of God cannot be so neatly settled as they’d like. This also makes for upsetting the received paradigm tradition which is why these scholars are often either ignored (which is usually the case) or waved aside as not being “Evangelical” by popular writers, preachers and theologians. Yet no matter their take on inerrancy or infallibility, these scholars take the Old Testament serious to the extreme, maybe even more than traditional Evangelical scholars who are sometimes prone to explain away a difficult passage because it may not align well with their paradigm.
Over the past year or so I have read the works of Brent Sandy (Plowshares and Pruning Hooks), Walter Brueggemann (An Unsettling God), John Goldingay (Old Testament Theology Vol. 1), and Samuel Meier (Themes and Transformations in Old Testament Prophecy) and the consensus seems to be this: the Hebrew testimony is that the future is at least partly open.
Samuel Meier: Discontinuity among O.T. Prophets
In this post I want to zero in on Samuel Meier’s study on themes and transformations in Old Testament prophecy. Unlike other works which simply take the Old Testament as a whole in terms of “themes”, Meier emphasizes the transformation or progressive reality of these themes. And when the question is put forth, ‘is the future determined according to Old Testament prophets?’ Meier answers: ‘yes and no, depending on what period you are asking about’. He writes
If God waits for temporally-bound creatures to make decisions that affect the destiny of humans [a case he makes in the preceding chapter], this raises the perennially perplexing question as to the contingency of the future: has the fate of humanity already been decreed, or is the future yet an unwritten chapter whose outcome is – at least in some details, if not in its entirety – open to negotiation?
What Meier discovers in his study is that the prophetic attitude toward a determined future progressed from an “open” future where God is portrayed as truly dialogical and the future is largely determined by human decisions and actions, to an extreme view of a closed future where all beings in the universe are mere pawns on the divine chess board and God is the only player. (It is this progression in prophetic attitude that may account for the positions of Calvinists and Open Theist, where Calvinist’ stress the works of the later prophets – the future is closed – and Open Theists stress the works of the earlier prophets – the future is partly open.)
Earlier Prophets: Partly Open Future
Samuel Meier highlights the fact that the word “perhaps” is used frequently throughout the earlier prophets (800 – 600 B.C.) indicating that these prophets were never certain exactly how the future would unfold. Their general attitude was “Repent because maybe God will hear and the disaster will be averted” as happens to be the case with Hezekiah when God changes his mind (2 Kings 20:1-5). Zephaniah prophecies, “Seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you will be hidden in the day of Yahweh’s anger” (Zeph 2:3). Amos prophecies, “Hate evil, and love good, and establish justice in the gate. Perhaps Yahweh, the God of hosts, will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph” {Amos 5:15). Joel prophecies “Tear your heart and not your garments. Return to Yahweh your God… Who knows whether [i.e. maybe] he may return and relent, and leave a blessing in his wake?” (Joel 2:13-14).
There are no shortages of these examples (Jonah 3:9; Gen 18:16-33; 2 Sam 24:14-25; Ezek 12:1-3; 1 Sam 9:15-17 cf. 1 Sam 15:11; et. cetera), but what Meier finds most stunning is that God himself sometimes seems uncertain what the future holds:
Thus said Yahweh, ‘Stand… and speak… all the words that I have commanded you to speak to them. Do not omit a word! Perhaps they will listen and each person will turn from his evil way, so that I may relent of the evil that I intend to do to them because of the evil of their deeds.’ (Jer 26:2-3, also Jer 36:1-3)
In the above passage it is not the prophet speaking, but God himself. God states plainly that he has intended to do evil to them because of their evil deeds, but if they repent he will “relent” – i.e. change his mind. What is stunning about this passage is that God makes no statements of certainty regarding the future – will what he intended happen or not? – because what God intends to happen totally depends on whether or not the people repent! As Meier put it, “God is doing all he can through his prophet to prompt his people to repent, but God is unsure that the effort will be successful” [p.30]. This characteristic of an open future seems to be a pattern of the earlier prophets and numerous other examples could be listed of God “relenting”, “repenting”, “changing his mind” and so on (cf. Jer. 18:7-10).
Later Prophets: God Plays Alone
In the chapter preceding the one called “is the future determined” Meier observes a shift in the prophets standing before God. It seems that the earlier prophets were often invited into the very council room of God so that God could engage them in conversation and dialogue, often about something which God is deliberating about (cf. Amos 7:1-6; Ezekiel 1:26; Isaiah 6:1-2; Jer 23:16-22). According to Meier, when God is depicted in Ezekiel 10-11 as departing the Temple during the Exile a shift takes place. For the first time in Israel’s history God is not in Israel or Judea; instead he is with Ezekiel in Babylon!
These new circumstances correspond to a new depiction of the prophets’ relationship to the divine council; no longer does Ezekiel stand among the hosts of heaven…. God is still on his throne, and the angelic retinue is present, but the prophet no longer sees nor participates in the deliberations of the council. The council comes to him, so to speak, with a decree that is not negotiable… After the exile, a further transformation – indeed, deterioration – of the prophet’s relationship to the divine council occurs: no prophet is explicitly depicted as taking part in God’s council.” [p. 24]
The point is – if we fast-forward to the present chapter – the broad consensus is that the idea “that the future is negotiable runs through a number of prophets, all of whom… appear before the postexilic period” but, Meier continues, “this consensus does not carry over into the postexilic period” [p. 34]. After the exile the future is often depicted as a non-negotiable. God’s made a decision and the prophets no longer have input.
Consequently the prophets after the exile speak with much more confidence about the future, “Return to me and I will return to you” (Zech 1:3; Mal 3:7); notice the absences of the word “perhaps”! In Haggai, Malachi and Zechariah there is never a “perhaps” or “maybe” or “who knows”; everything is absolutely certain. Of course everything remains conditioned by the actions of people – of this the Old Testament is emphatic about (Mal 3:9-11: blessing will come if they are obedient; Hag 1:8-9, Hag 2:17-19: if they rebuild the temple then God will bless them), but whatever the person chooses, there is an absolute response from God – no question about it in these later prophets.
When the discussion is carried over to Daniel a deterministic future is taken to the extreme. Because the future was been worked out in the details one may learned in advance specifics “such as how many kings will reign and how they will behave (Dan 7:23-25; 8:21; 11:2-45), as well as how the righteous will fare (Dan 7:21, 25; 8:24; 11:32-35)” [p. 36]. Meier connects this to his discussion in the previous chapter about how the prophets after the exile are no longer privy to engage God in dialogue about things which may occur:
Where future consequences could be presented as not entirely clear in the early prophets, and where it becomes less vague and more predictable in the later prophets, in apocalyptic [i.e. Daniel] the future becomes exceedingly predictable. In fact, the future in apocalyptic is already determined in its entirety.” [p. 36]
Conclusion: Prophetic Demotion?
Meier draws out many more progressive themes in the Old Testament such as the theme of angels which suggests that the early prophets always had direct access to God, “Yahweh said to …” whereas for the later prophets angels become mediators. Another example is that early prophets had a gift of being able to “see” precisely what God wants them to see whereas the later prophets need the visions to be spelt out for them (here for examples). In every case the pivotal point of change is the Exile. After the exile there seems to be – in a sense – a demotion of the prophetic ministry and a change in the way God interacted with Israel’s prophets and the future.
There was a time when God invited human representatives (i.e. the prophets) into the divine council chambers (which includes angels) and dialogued with them about things which may be. The human representatives were able to add their opinions and sometimes even sway the divine intent – it was truly a relationship. This privilege is taken away after the Exile. God no longer invites human representatives into the council to consult them on what may happen; now he simply decrees what will happen and their job is to simply listen and convey the message (Daniel does not interact with his visions in a dialogical fashion, he is simply an observer who is instructed to document what he sees [Dan 7:1]).





