Comments on: Justified By His Faithfulness – Romans 3:22 http://covenantoflove.net/in-christ/not-by-faith-a-new-paradigm-romans-322/ Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:50:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Derek Ouellette http://covenantoflove.net/in-christ/not-by-faith-a-new-paradigm-romans-322/#comment-1621 Derek Ouellette Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:24:23 +0000 http://covenantoflove.net/?p=1051#comment-1621 Christian, Amen... until you got to the assumed word "imputed". It's not by "imputation" it's by "incorporation". When we unite with Christ then when God sees us, he sees Christ. We are able to believe only because of God's first grace. But when God, by his grace calls us, then we are able to respond in faith. (emphasis on "we". It makes no sense to say that God believes for us! How do we "respond to that faith"... <i>without faith?!</i>) I know of know scripture verse that we are told to respond to faith. We are to respond to grace. We do this by faith. Grace is the gift of God so that it is not by works, but that grace is received by our faith. Christian,

Amen… until you got to the assumed word “imputed”. It’s not by “imputation” it’s by “incorporation”. When we unite with Christ then when God sees us, he sees Christ. We are able to believe only because of God’s first grace. But when God, by his grace calls us, then we are able to respond in faith. (emphasis on “we”. It makes no sense to say that God believes for us! How do we “respond to that faith”… without faith?!) I know of know scripture verse that we are told to respond to faith. We are to respond to grace. We do this by faith. Grace is the gift of God so that it is not by works, but that grace is received by our faith.
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]]> By: Christian http://covenantoflove.net/in-christ/not-by-faith-a-new-paradigm-romans-322/#comment-1614 Christian Mon, 13 Sep 2010 03:21:20 +0000 http://covenantoflove.net/?p=1051#comment-1614 The bible says that none of us are righteous. If that is so, then how could we stand before a holy and righteous God? Jesus was, and is, perfectly faithful, while we stumble in our faithfulness. It is the righteousness of the Son that is imputed to us that the Father may see us as righteous before Him. There is a deposit of faith in all of us by the Holy Spirit because we are made in God's image. The faith is not our own, but of God, and we simply respond to that faith and trust that Jesus did all the work necessary, and that there is nothing that we can "do" to add to it. The bible says that none of us are righteous. If that is so, then how could we stand before a holy and righteous God? Jesus was, and is, perfectly faithful, while we stumble in our faithfulness. It is the righteousness of the Son that is imputed to us that the Father may see us as righteous before Him. There is a deposit of faith in all of us by the Holy Spirit because we are made in God’s image. The faith is not our own, but of God, and we simply respond to that faith and trust that Jesus did all the work necessary, and that there is nothing that we can “do” to add to it.
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]]> By: Hary Heimann http://covenantoflove.net/in-christ/not-by-faith-a-new-paradigm-romans-322/#comment-143 Hary Heimann Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:34:23 +0000 http://covenantoflove.net/?p=1051#comment-143 Amen!! Good post, I couldn't agree more Amen!! Good post, I couldn’t agree more

]]> By: Derek Ouellette http://covenantoflove.net/in-christ/not-by-faith-a-new-paradigm-romans-322/#comment-142 Derek Ouellette Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:20:15 +0000 http://covenantoflove.net/?p=1051#comment-142 Thanks Eric, I think I'm going to pick up Hays book as well. Thanks Eric,

I think I’m going to pick up Hays book as well.

]]> By: Eric Gregory http://covenantoflove.net/in-christ/not-by-faith-a-new-paradigm-romans-322/#comment-139 Eric Gregory Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:41:53 +0000 http://covenantoflove.net/?p=1051#comment-139 Derek: Thanks for this - it's given me yet another reason to want to purchase <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Jesus-Christ-Narrative-Substructure/dp/0802849571/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=ISX1Z1DG4BRBZ&colid=274SY2J5BBHIS" rel="nofollow">Richard B. Hay's "The Faith of Jesus Christ: The Narrative Substructure of Galatians 3:1-4:11"</a>. The entire book is concerned with this idea of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. Also, I'm not sure the doctrine of imputation is necessary at all if we talk about participation. Since we participate in the death and resurrection of Christ, we die as He did and rise as He did. We are made righteous through his faithfulness (as he is the faithful Israelite able to keep the human end of the covenant with God). He is metonymical and prototypical of all who have faith (e.g. actively trust) and believe. Is anything "imputed" onto him or onto us? Derek:

Thanks for this – it’s given me yet another reason to want to purchase Richard B. Hay’s “The Faith of Jesus Christ: The Narrative Substructure of Galatians 3:1-4:11″.

The entire book is concerned with this idea of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ.

Also, I’m not sure the doctrine of imputation is necessary at all if we talk about participation. Since we participate in the death and resurrection of Christ, we die as He did and rise as He did. We are made righteous through his faithfulness (as he is the faithful Israelite able to keep the human end of the covenant with God). He is metonymical and prototypical of all who have faith (e.g. actively trust) and believe. Is anything “imputed” onto him or onto us?

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